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Was this Terry Frisk lawful?

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    Posted: April 05 2008 at 12:44pm

On an evening in November, two Minneapolis police officers were patrolling an area on the city's north side in a marked squad car. At about 8:15 p.m., one of the officers observed respondent leaving a 12-unit apartment building on Morgan Avenue North. The officer, having previously responded to complaints of drug sales in the building's hallways, and having executed several search warrants on the premises, considered the building to be a notorious "crack house." According to testimony credited by the trial court, respondent began walking toward the police but, [508 U.S. 366, 369]   upon spotting the squad car and making eye contact with one of the officers, abruptly halted and began walking in the opposite direction. His suspicion aroused, this officer watched as respondent turned and entered an alley on the other side of the apartment building. Based upon respondent's seemingly evasive actions and the fact that he had just left a building known for cocaine traffic, the officers decided to stop respondent and investigate further.

The officers pulled their squad car into the alley and ordered respondent to stop and submit to a patdown search. The search revealed no weapons, but the officer conducting the search did take an interest in a small lump in respondent's nylon jacket. The officer later testified:

    "[A]s I pat-searched the front of his body, I felt a lump, a small lump, in the front pocket. I examined it with my fingers and it slid and it felt to be a lump of crack cocaine in cellophane."

The officer then reached into respondent's pocket and retrieved a small plastic bag containing one fifth of one gram of crack cocaine. Respondent was arrested and charged in Hennepin County District Court with possession of a controlled substance.

Before trial, respondent moved to suppress the cocaine. The trial court first concluded that the officers were justified under Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), in stopping respondent to investigate whether he might be engaged in criminal activity. The court further found that the officers were justified in frisking respondent to ensure that he was not carrying a weapon. Finally, analogizing to the "plain view" doctrine, under which officers may make a warrantless seizure of contraband found in plain view during a lawful search for other items, the trial court ruled that the officers' seizure of the cocaine did not violate the Fourth Amendment.

The State Court of Appeals found the seizure lawful.  The State Supreme Court found the seizure unlawful.
 
The United States Sumpreme Court now had to decide.
 
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  Quote CPD6600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 05 2008 at 6:46pm
I believe that your not allowed to manipulate anything in the pockets unless you can articulate why you thought that lump was a weapon.
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  Quote Lawdog2957 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 06 2008 at 1:44am
Sounds Lawful to me. It was very well articulated by arresting officer. Pig
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  Quote Lawdog2957 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 06 2008 at 1:46am

Minnesota is a very liberal state anyway. Truly I am shocked it flew.

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  Quote ADAM 12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 06 2008 at 8:48pm
Nope not with the manipulation!
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  Quote Voiceof75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 12:35am
I think that Terry Vs. Ohio only permits a surface search for weapons.  I imagine the discovery would be found unconstitutional because the officer was clear in his description of the lump that he felt and I doubt a reasonable person would construe the lump described as a weapon.
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  Quote gcrfirewolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 12:07pm
I think that the search was lawful however the statement i the report might cause a little problem. "[A]s I pat-searched the front of his body, I felt a lump, a small lump, in the front pocket. I examined it with my fingers and it slid and it felt to be a lump of crack cocaine in cellophane." we all know that he was an experienced officer an that undoubtedly he had knowledge of the area and would know that the "lump" that he felt was a "rock" of crack. However he did not articulate that fact. (unless there is more that was not posted)

I think that something written like this might be ok.

"[A]s I pat-searched the front of his body, I felt a lump, a small lump, that i recognized from my training and experience in drug and narcotic investigation, to be what is commonly reffered to as a "rock" of crack cocaine in the front pocket. I examined the rock with my fingers and it slid and it felt to be a lump of crack cocaine in cellophane."


Edited by gcrfirewolf - April 24 2008 at 12:08pm
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  Quote Masterchief Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 10:37pm

This is a perfect example of why I am in corrections.  In my personal opion the yahoo gave up any and all rights to privacy when he crossed that line and came into possession of the crack.  It shouldn't matter who, what, when,where,why or how it was discovered. That is one of the main reasons our brothers on the street are always in such danger.  I will now stop before I fill up ten pages on my views and the ACLU and such.  At least they provide us with job security :)

 

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  Quote Lawdog2957 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: May 12 2008 at 7:19am
OOOrah Master Chief! Bravo Zulu.
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  Quote SHOBeaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link to This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:54am
It is not a lawful search.  A patdown on a terry stop ONLY gives you the right to pat down for weapons and weapons only.  I know this becuase I did this by accident.  I patted down a person for being in a high drug area and I manipulated his pockets.  After my patdown, my FTO pulled me aside and said if I found something in his pockets, it would be inadmissable in court because of the circumstances. 
 
I was only allowed to feel for a weapon, not to squeeze the suspects pockets and guess to what the "lump or buldge" might be.  Whether or not it flies in this state, doesnt mean it would fly on a normal circumstance.  Reasonable suspicion is not probable cause and does not validate a search, which violates the 4th amendment...
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